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Post by busbybhoy on May 19, 2009 23:05:40 GMT
And befgore the "lucky" statements start.....Both of them played the hand bad!!! I raise on button with A10 suited. Call from SB and BB. A high flop....I push and get called by AK and AJ....Hit my 10 on river. Both of them would have forced me to lay it down if they pushed back preflop...
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Post by bobflatley on May 19, 2009 23:16:44 GMT
And befgore the "lucky" statements start.....Both of them played the hand bad!!! I raise on button with A10 suited. Call from SB and BB. A high flop....I push and get called by AK and AJ....Hit my 10 on river. Both of them would have forced me to lay it down if they pushed back preflop... Don't think anyone played it badly tbh. Was just one of those hands that u all hit top pr and u were the one lucky enough to hit the kicker. If u raised 5-8k instead of pushing the flop I think u'd have got away urself to a push.
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Post by busbybhoy on May 19, 2009 23:20:43 GMT
So big stack raises from button and AK should just flat call preflop 6 handed from the SB...sorry Bob...have to completely disagree with you there! If he hits ace happy days...if he doesnt he has over one third of his stack commited and has to fold
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Post by bobflatley on May 19, 2009 23:23:22 GMT
Anxiously awaiting the day that I post and someone replies 'Have to absolutley, wholeheartedly agree with ya Bob'! I won't hold my breath, eh
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Post by bobflatley on May 19, 2009 23:27:12 GMT
Tbh think I'd have pushed the Ak myself Niall but if he played to trap it was unlucky after hitting the A. Still once the chips are in everyone in the hand has the same right to the pot. Well done, it was a bit lucky but these are the hands that win tourney's.
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Post by bobflatley on May 19, 2009 23:35:48 GMT
1 busbybhoy Final Placements RD 2 2 mayoscouser 3 ste280 4 cool_hand1 5 theelderfl 6 joe2931 7 narrow 8 king_judas 9 trycolour 10 sweetjaws 11 a_f_c_1 12 melana234 13 mayomob 14 some idiot with a fish avatar 15 some idiot with a celtic avatar Mikeybhoy 16 barbar1an 17 grattan23 18 cardhig 19 canjoe 20 kieran 21 showstoppa 22 thebusterk 23 adrianregan 24 up-2-u
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Post by theblackthing on May 20, 2009 11:39:58 GMT
I have to say that i absolutely wholeheartedly agree with ya Bob. (Only kidding, I could never do that ;D)
Well done on taking it down Niall, nice result from Jesus too.
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Post by muscles on May 20, 2009 15:18:44 GMT
And befgore the "lucky" statements start.....Both of them played the hand bad!!! I raise on button with A10 suited. Call from SB and BB. A high flop....I push and get called by AK and AJ....Hit my 10 on river. Both of them would have forced me to lay it down if they pushed back preflop... Niall, did you never hear of 'mixing it up'?? I often would have done the same thing jsut to throw people off. Anyone that plays ABC poker all the time is limiting themselves. Also you haven't said who the players were, stack sizes etc etc
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Post by busbybhoy on May 20, 2009 17:49:53 GMT
"Mixing it up" - Ill study that chapter in detail in your next book ;D The point i was making is that i wont accept the lucky tag for this hand. By mixing it up/slowplaying it or whatever else you want to call it, you run the risk of a 5 card board and with this run the risk of getting caught out which obviously happened. Its a bit like the way nobody ever gets sympathy when they slow play aces and lose....and Mus i have done this on 1 or 2 occasions The way i look at it is it was 6 handed and 1 away from the bubble and it not the best time to be mixing it up with the chip leader when you have a comfortable stack. I had been raising roughly every second hand so it was obvious what i was up to. Anyway here is the hand busbybhoy $22300 theelder $17500 joe2931 $4590 Blinds 500/1000 with ante of 75 Average stack about 12000 I raise to 4000 from the button with A10 suited....theelder (SB) flat calls as does joe (BB)....Pot $12450 theelder has been playing tight and has avoided me and i know hes a good player. I put him on a mid pair maybe 9s to Js or else KQ/A10/AJ. I figure if he has anything better surely he will push back as i have been so aggresive and its obvious im just taking advantage of the bubble with the big stack. Flop A 5 7 rainbow Check Check I push all in for my remaining $18000 (Bob made the point that i could have bet out 8k and got away if it is raised. As i said the only hand i have put him on that is still winning is AJ and if he has it good luck to him) SB and BB call SB shows AK BB shows AJ Turn 2 River 10 for my 2 pair. There were a few "lucky" comments straight away and yes i did suck out but as i said in my original comment, if you chose to play a monster hand like AK this way at a vital stage in a tourney you shouldnt moan when you get caught out! The most important point here is the stage of the tourney. I am all up for playing AK like this at any other stageWe all know that you have to win at least 1 50/50 to win tournaments. theelder played a top game up to this point. I was raising like a lunatic so can he really put me on AA or KK on the button?? These are the only 2 hands that he doesnt have a coinflip against. I cant believe i have just done a "Bob" on this Would love to hear opinions though And once again wheter its last place or first place, its a very enjoyable game. Poker and a bit of slagging on a Tues night for $10....What more could a man ask for! Hopefully it will continue And befgore the "lucky" statements start.....Both of them played the hand bad!!! I raise on button with A10 suited. Call from SB and BB. A high flop....I push and get called by AK and AJ....Hit my 10 on river. Both of them would have forced me to lay it down if they pushed back preflop... Niall, did you never hear of 'mixing it up'?? I often would have done the same thing jsut to throw people off. Anyone that plays ABC poker all the time is limiting themselves. Also you haven't said who the players were, stack sizes etc etc
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Post by muscles on May 20, 2009 17:51:47 GMT
League Table:
Mayoscouser - 30pts Ste280 - 20 Showstoppa - 20 Busbybhoy - 20 Barbar1an 12 grattan 23 - 12 theelderfl - 12 cool_hand1 - 10 valeire - 6 joe2391 - 6 narrow - 4
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Post by bob got logged out mid message on May 20, 2009 23:39:05 GMT
Don't dispute ur thinking Niall but consider this; A)SB and ur dealt AK with a raise from a bullying big stack B)U expect BB to fold leaving u HU with said big stack player C)u have enough chips behind to fold the flop if A doesn't hit D)A flops and initially u think ur winning with AK, bully pushes. What are u likely to be beat by? By ur own admission this is late and 5 handed, Ak is not afraid of much here IMO. If u've hit set u'r unlikely to push on this board (although it is possible by an intermediate-advanced player knowing strong A will call) I think because of his stack size Chris could see a way out of this hand with plenty to spare had an A not flopped ie. he didn't want to make this hand a possible 50/50 against ur possible pockets. Once the A flopped (he played this way for it) he couldn't get away even though u pushed.
Consider the hand from the other player's point of view. AK on A hi board against an aggressive big stack. Would u play the flop differently?
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Post by busbybhoy on May 21, 2009 10:34:42 GMT
'Have to absolutley, wholeheartedly agree with ya Bob'!
Seriously i do agree that it is a viable play (not a play i would make ever at later stages of tourney) but like i said this whole point of me posting this was to show that people cant acuse players of being lucky when they chose this risky strategy.
Here a couple of quotes from a few well known players:
Gus Hansen: "When a tournament gets down to 6/7 handed you need to be playing approx 30% of your starting hands. Play your strong hands aggressively and stay out of trouble. It is not the time for hero plays"
David Sklansky on late stages of tournaments: "Play aggressive. If you have a decent hand, don’t slow play it. If you get caught there is no backdoor like in cash game where you can re-buy: in a tournament you’re in or you’re out"
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Post by bobflatley on May 21, 2009 14:44:49 GMT
For the record I think I'd have pushed pre with AK. I don't think the lads have much of an argument and would guess the 'lucky' tag was a kneejerk frustrated reaction. Once u put ur chips in they were both essentially calling with top pair for all their chips and even though they were both ahead, top pair (even with top Kick against undercard) is a precarious lead. I understand Chris's call more so than Joe's. If I have AJ BB facing bigstack raise and second stack call from those positions I've got to make up my mind preflop. It was a hopeful call, check-call really.
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