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Post by muscles on Aug 26, 2009 15:43:29 GMT
New league starts Thursday, September 4th.
Entry: €35 + €5 reg fee + €5 to league. Optional 1.5k Early Bird for €5 before end of Level 1. This also goes to league.
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Post by hbk on Aug 26, 2009 19:29:00 GMT
'almost certainly change to smaller stack with all blind levels included'
does smaller stack mean origional starting stack? any chance we can comfirm this???
point system seems good this year, i think we should keep it.
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Post by bobflatley on Aug 26, 2009 23:52:16 GMT
'almost certainly change to smaller stack with all blind levels included' does smaller stack mean origional starting stack? any chance we can comfirm this??? point system seems good this year, i think we should keep it. From what I remember original starting stack was about 2.5K, (with unlimited re-buy until the break) I'm guessing this isn't what u wanna go back to Joe ;D Seriously though, the concensus appears to be to go back to the previous blind level's. Starting stack will still be an issue. Personally, I'd do away with the early bird, whilst keeping the optional €5 (needs to have real value, ie. 1-1.5k in an 8k starting stack) extra chip until end of lev 1-2. This option has become the bread and butter of the final prize pool and is realistically essential. The early bird serves little or no purpose. The regular players come on(or close to) time every week. If they're not gonna be on time most text/call. After lev 2 no extra players are accepted anyway (to my knowledge as dead stacks are taken). So my suggestion would be: A)If ur on time u get full stack+optional bonus B)If ur gonna be late and text or call confirming this, u get full stack and optional bonus if arriving before end lev1 (ie. 20mins). Anytime after u only get basic stack.(minus the blinds paid) C)If u text or call whilst the game is underway(ie. anytime in first 40 mins seated) u are entitled to basic starting stack. (ie. a dead stack minus the blinds that hit u with no option) This means if u don't text/call before first hand u get penalised. D) If a particular player lands in off the street during lev 2, C entitlements apply, unless it involves splitting a table because players are expected. This would involve the TD(ie. can I be bothered to split tables in order to fit extra players?) Option's should only be offered to players after they have taken their seats and before the game starts(for those present at start), This omit's the possibility of a player buying their option and forgetting they have it in their pocket as it must go immediately into their stack (a previously controversial issue). Any player arriving late, must either accept/decline the option(if it is open to them) before taking their seat. These are just suggestions and obviously subject to Musc approval. I think they elimanate some murky issues but more can alway's be found! In terms of the points system I would actually favour the old way. I wouldn't be opposed to using this system again however. This leagues still very tight and regardless of what system this may be the case. Your's sincerely, (in expectation of having my system shot down for a myriad of reasons,) Bob
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Post by grattan23 on Aug 27, 2009 12:41:58 GMT
I have a suggestion for the Autumn League, I would leave the buy-in as is. I would like to introduce one buy in / top up at the break for 20 euro. This would increase the prizepool on the night to gain more interest from players, currently first prize ranges from 140-190 and I believe interest is waining.
This is partly due to the cash game, but if the prizepool was bigger, there might be more interest.
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Post by muscles on Aug 27, 2009 15:03:45 GMT
I have a suggestion for the Autumn League, I would leave the buy-in as is. I would like to introduce one buy in / top up at the break for 20 euro. This would increase the prizepool on the night to gain more interest from players, currently first prize ranges from 140-190 and I believe interest is waining. This is partly due to the cash game, but if the prizepool was bigger, there might be more interest. That's bringing the nightly spend back to €55. Interesting to see what peoples's thoughts on this are. As i see it there are two different gtoups of players, 1) those for whom money is no problem as witnessed by the cash game. These players would have no problem with a rebuy option . 2) those who want a decent tournament for an affordable buy in. I think €35 spend is max for most of these. Also many cash players now dont even bother playing the tournament but just come in for the cash. I know the cash game is nothing to do with me thing but what about having the old system that tournament players get priority when a seat becomes available at cash table??
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Post by muscles on Aug 27, 2009 15:16:38 GMT
'almost certainly change to smaller stack with all blind levels included' does smaller stack mean origional starting stack? any chance we can comfirm this??? point system seems good this year, i think we should keep it. From what I remember original starting stack was about 2.5K, (with unlimited re-buy until the break) I'm guessing this isn't what u wanna go back to Joe ;D Seriously though, the concensus appears to be to go back to the previous blind level's. Starting stack will still be an issue. Personally, I'd do away with the early bird, whilst keeping the optional €5 (needs to have real value, ie. 1-1.5k in an 8k starting stack) extra chip until end of lev 1-2. This option has become the bread and butter of the final prize pool and is realistically essential. The early bird serves little or no purpose. The regular players come on(or close to) time every week. If they're not gonna be on time most text/call. After lev 2 no extra players are accepted anyway (to my knowledge as dead stacks are taken). So my suggestion would be: A)If ur on time u get full stack+optional bonus B)If ur gonna be late and text or call confirming this, u get full stack and optional bonus if arriving before end lev1 (ie. 20mins). Anytime after u only get basic stack.(minus the blinds paid) C)If u text or call whilst the game is underway(ie. anytime in first 40 mins seated) u are entitled to basic starting stack. (ie. a dead stack minus the blinds that hit u with no option) This means if u don't text/call before first hand u get penalised. D) If a particular player lands in off the street during lev 2, C entitlements apply, unless it involves splitting a table because players are expected. This would involve the TD(ie. can I be bothered to split tables in order to fit extra players?) Option's should only be offered to players after they have taken their seats and before the game starts(for those present at start), This omit's the possibility of a player buying their option and forgetting they have it in their pocket as it must go immediately into their stack (a previously controversial issue). Any player arriving late, must either accept/decline the option(if it is open to them) before taking their seat. These are just suggestions and obviously subject to Musc approval. I think they elimanate some murky issues but more can alway's be found! In terms of the points system I would actually favour the old way. I wouldn't be opposed to using this system again however. This leagues still very tight and regardless of what system this may be the case. Your's sincerely, (in expectation of having my system shot down for a myriad of reasons,) Bob Early Bird - Bad mistake to get rid of it. believe me it would send the atrting time back by at least half hour. No disrespect Bob, but i dont quite follow options 1,2,3 etc. basically you are saying to keep things the way they are??? I do not understand options c and d...Stacks are blinded away whether i know players are coming or not. Someone coming in off the street will have the same stack as a player that texted me. As regards waiting for plyers to take their seats, no way am i going down that road again. far too awkward with money being thrown on table etc, i usually ended up out of pocket. Also most players go for a smoke when i call start so i then have to individually wait for them to be seated. Sorry but no. This thing about pulling players who take out their bonus chip a minute after the start is ridiculous imo but its what palyers seem to want so i suppose that stays. Thanks for taking the time to post.
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Post by muscles on Aug 27, 2009 16:00:17 GMT
I believe interest is waining.. Average field in this league wa 16.4 players, in the previous league it was 12.1. Not being smart but how does this indicate waning interest??? Obv, due to the recession, you would expect numbers to be down at most tourneys, but this is not the case here.
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Post by grattan23 on Aug 27, 2009 16:20:21 GMT
Not being smart but based upon the numbers you have provided for the last league the average is 15 players a night. That is based upon the 14 weeks you have put up at 210 players. We lost 4 players since that to the Australian Poker Tour and we only lost 1.1 players in this league with the reduction in entry fee. If you need any more assistance on calculations koc is very good with the calculator. My thanks to him for his quick research.
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Post by richiet on Aug 27, 2009 17:27:57 GMT
1) Bob what language is your last post in, I cank make it out 2)The reason for bringing down he entry fee was to attract more players, this doesnt seem to have worked. I think it should be upped again a bit... say €45+€5 towards final prizepool???.. 3)I dont favour a rebuy or top up, most other tourneys have moved away from that strucure. It would disimprove the game in my opinion. While its true to say you dont have to rebuy/top up, most players feel they have a better chance by doing so. Your just as well to have a freeze out.
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Post by muscles on Aug 28, 2009 15:46:28 GMT
Not being smart but based upon the numbers you have provided for the last league the average is 15 players a night. That is based upon the 14 weeks you have put up at 210 players. We lost 4 players since that to the Australian Poker Tour and we only lost 1.1 players in this league with the reduction in entry fee. If you need any more assistance on calculations koc is very good with the calculator. My thanks to him for his quick research. You're right, i made a mistake. This league's average over 14 nights was in fact 17.6 players. Nice name that, koc.....
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Post by muscles on Sept 3, 2009 12:23:36 GMT
Starts tonight 9pm. Entry; €35 + €5 + €5. €5 optional 'early bird' before end of Level 1. 7k stack. 500 Bonus chip before 9pm and 1.5k chips option for €5.
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Post by grattan23 on Sept 3, 2009 16:31:54 GMT
With the start of this latest league, the burning question has to be asked : Will the KOC - that is Eamonn Walsh for the uniniated qualify for the final in the top 10. There has been some talk lately that his extraordinary ability at the Cash Tables has affected his tournament play. I feel that this could be the explanation. Variance - A difference between what is expected and what actually occurs / an activity that varies from the norm or standard I really think from recent conversations with you that you have no concept of variance whatsoever. With you its either "poor me, did you hear the bad beat I got" or "look at me, I'm the best player in the world". Most of your recent rants have been about how somebody sucked out on your pocket Queens with AK or how your AQ got beaten by pocket 2's. You have to remember that both these examples are essentially coin flips. 50% of the time you will win and 50% of the time you will loose. The same rule applies when you have Aces v 7's, you are about an 80/20 to win this bit you have to remember that 1 time in 5 you will lose the hand. There's no point going around whining when this happens because its just something you have to accept. You have to remember that over your poker life as a whole you will win in this position 4 times out of 5. You have to learn to be happy when you get your money in with the best of it and still lose the hand. You managed to manipulate the other player into making a huge mistake and that is all you can hope for. All you can do is try to get your chips in with the best of it and leave the rest of it up to the Poker Gods. Once you train yourself to do this you will be a more complete player. What you are going through at the moment is referred to as an downswing, basically it's the opposite of what you normally boast about ( a upswing). It is your luck evening out over time. The sooner you get that into your head and really believe it, the sooner you will have a real understanding of the game. Bad beats will no longer be bad beats, they are just cards coming out randomly, evening themselves out over time. So maybe the next time somebody sucks out on you, think before you complain about your bad beat and let your mind take you back to that wonderful 4 minute period when all the luck went your way and you caught every miracle card on the river to complete this fabulous winning streak at the cash tables See you at the game tonight
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Post by muscles on Sept 4, 2009 11:46:28 GMT
Round 1 Results: 18 Runners
1st - Nicky Cunnane - €280
2nd - Kieran Finn - €180
3rd - Enda MacGearty - €110
4th - Ritchie Trench - €60
5th - Martin Mullahy
6th - James Bonner
7th - Eamon Walsh
8th - Brian Fallon
9th - John Garvan
Buy Ins: 18 x 5 = €90 Early Birds: 15 x 5 = €75
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Post by theblackthing on Sept 11, 2009 14:09:42 GMT
Round 2 - 16 runners
1 - John Joe Doyle €280
2 - Nicky Cunnane €180
3 - Joe McHugh €110
4 - John Garvin
5 - Ritchie Trench
6 - Fergus Maxwell
7 - Pat Staunton
8 - Danny McHugh
9 - Daryl Henry
10 - Cathal Flaherty
League Table
1 - Nicky Cunnane - 600
2 - Ritchie Trench - 324
3 - John Joe Doyle - 320
4 - Kieran Finn - 302
5 - John Garvin - 250
6 - Enda McGearty - 216
7 - Martin Mullahey - 210
8 - Joe McHugh - 192
9 - Eamonn Walsh - 174
10 - Brian Fallon - 156
Grand Final Prize Pool
Week 1 - Buy ins 18*5= 90 , Early Bird 15*5= 75 , Total 165 Week 2 - Buy ins 16*5= 80 , Early Bird 11*5= 55 , Total 135
PRIZE POOL @ END OF WEEK 2 = €300
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Post by hbk on Sept 11, 2009 18:46:29 GMT
any chance you get the league table up quicker eamon, muscles used to do it on a thursday night when he got home. ;D
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