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Post by hbk on Jul 31, 2009 17:49:10 GMT
i want the old style back for the next league,
thats what was agreed before this one started.
4 weeks left in this league so should be no excuse not to be able to find black chips before next league starts.
anyone who agrees or disagrees feel free to comment.
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Post by theblackthing on Jul 31, 2009 18:15:46 GMT
In a bit of a rush at the moment so I'll keep this short and sweet.
100% agree
Absolutely hate the 30k stack
Please please please please Muscles try and have this sorted for the new league. I'll buy the black chips myself if I have to.
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Post by muscles on Aug 1, 2009 13:59:18 GMT
Fine, but it was NOT agreed before this league. And as for no excuse for finding black chips, i'm not sure what that's supposed to mean. In fiarness most players seem quite happy with the present structure but i'll go along with what the majority want. I'll see what players think before next league but i have no problem reverting to old structure (if that's what players want) apart from the the hassle chipping up. If i do go back to old d system i hope players will co operate when im chipping up........  From experience i think having all the 25 chips in play causes big delays in large pots and slows play down big time. one of the main reasons for getting rid of. Personally i dont see what the problem is. Current 32k starting stack is 160 bb's as is an 8k stack using old method. After the break if you have your original stack you have 16 bb's as opposed to 13.3 under your proposed new structure. Am i missing something here? |
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Post by richiet on Aug 1, 2009 16:06:34 GMT
We defo need the old chip stack back... and as far as I remember it was agreed to do so at the end of the last league.
Every other tournament ive played in has `25 chips`, its just the done thing everywhere as far as im aware. As for it slowing down the game, I dont remember the tournaments going on any longer when we had the old starting stack, even though there used to be more players.....
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Post by muscles on Aug 1, 2009 16:18:33 GMT
We defo need the old chip stack back... and as far as I remember it was agreed to do so at the end of the last league. Every other tournament ive played in has `25 chips`, its just the done thing everywhere as far as im aware. As for it slowing down the game, I dont remember the tournaments going on any longer when we had the old starting stack, even though there used to be more players..... The tournament will run for the same time but play is slowed down sorting pots etc, players trying to 'get rid of' the 25 chips, It just means less hands per hour. |
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Post by theblackthing on Aug 1, 2009 23:21:02 GMT
Fine, but it was NOT agreed before this league.
I beg to differ; the following is a quote from your post on May 22nd.
“Didnt get a chnace to ask players night. So, i suggest we go back to old system for next week and then ask players which they prefer??? Many don't post here but are netitled to their say.
So, how about 7,000 start stack which is 140 bb's as opposed to 125 bb's currently. 500 early bird chip, + optional 1,500 early bird chips as per usual. That gives a starting stack of 175 bb's as opposed to 160 currently. Mighty value for a €30 buy in. Well???”
Most people on this forum agreed that this was a lot better structure
And as for no excuse for finding black chips, i'm not sure what that's supposed to mean.
When I showed up on the first night of this league I expected to see the old denomination chips but it was still the 32k stack. When I asked you why, you replied that you could not find enough black chips and that you would have it sorted for the following week. Don’t worry; I knew this would not happen.
In fiarness most players seem quite happy with the present structure but i'll go along with what the majority want.
Again I beg to differ, I think you will find that the vast majority of our regular players do not prefer the current structure. Myself, Joe, Danny, Enda and Ritchie are arguably the most regular players since we started Hanley’s poker. We have all strongly expressed our opinion on the matter and still you will not change it.
I'll see what players think before next league but i have no problem reverting to old structure (if that's what players want) apart from the the hassle chipping up. If i do go back to old d system i hope players will co operate when im chipping up........
Do you not do a chip race for the 100s at the moment so what difference does it make? If you have no problem, then lets just put things in place to get it sorted for new league.
From experience i think having all the 25 chips in play causes big delays in large pots and slows play down big time. one of the main reasons for getting rid of.
I honestly have no idea why having the 25 chips in play would slow things down any more than having the 100 chips in the current structure.
Personally i dont see what the problem is. Current 32k starting stack is 160 bb's as is an 8k stack using old method. After the break if you have your original stack you have 16 bb's as opposed to 13.3 under your proposed new structure.
This point is now invalid as we are talking about a 9k stack under your proposed structure
Am i missing something here?
Yes you are. Your customers and my customers are saying that they would like to go back to the old structure. I don’t see what the problem is. Am I missing something here?
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Post by richiet on Aug 2, 2009 15:17:53 GMT
In fairness muscles we all want the old system back......
So for the next league lets just go back to the old way and we`ll all be happy.
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Post by muscles on Aug 2, 2009 17:39:40 GMT
Ok ok, fair enough. Obviously there's strong feelings about this among a few of ye. Fair point Eamon, digging up that post, honest mistake on my part. We can go with the old sytetem this Thursday night. One point i would like to make is that only a minority of players post here so i don't think that their opinons are necessarily representative of the majprity of players but i suppose since they take the time to post, they obviously have strong views on the matter and i tend to accept their views. When this issue re structure came up before i took soundings from players in Kiltimagh also and i was of the opinion that the majority of players favoured the 30k stack. I still think that is the preferred option but if most players dont seem to bothered about it i'll go with the majority opinion here. Back to Enda raising to 1,175 again.... |
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Post by bobflatley on Aug 2, 2009 20:34:21 GMT
I think the biggest issue is that most other games that you go away and sit into play the 25-50 blind denomination starting. There was the theory that new players would feel better with the large starting stack but I think we still find it's mostly the same heads week in week out. Also conversely what new player wants to come in and find himself in a 50k pot in the second hand of a game? It still scares me!!!
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